On Oct 11, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Anna von Reitz <email@example.com> wrote:
Other countries have a right to run their affairs as they see fit, Arnie. They are not subject to us and we are not subject to them. Though we may violently disagree with the Communistic leanings of the United States of America (Minor)— a legislative Democracy, not a Republic—that we have stupidly allowed to take root on our shores, we have no control over what laws they pass or what burdens are placed on “their” citizens, and their citizens are walking freely among us—- most of them indistinguishably so. Their contract with us, The Constitution for the united States of America, has ALWAYS allowed this crazy-making situation—- Article I, Section 8, Clause 17.
There are two populations here, Arnie, and there always have been. There are Americans and there are United States citizens. Both groups exist. Both have legitimate “citizenship”. Sorting the sheep from the goats is the problem, especially when the sheep don’t know the difference.
Every federal civilian employee, every military employee, every black American, everyone here seeking political asylum, and everyone who is receiving welfare “benefits” from the United States, Inc. is considered by the United States of America (Minor) to have voluntarily claimed their citizenship.
Such “federal citizenship” reduces you to the status of an indentured servant, owed only “equal civil rights”. Prior to MLK, Jr. they didn’t even have those guarantees. Any corporations you form under the auspices of the United States of America (Minor) are automatically reduced to the status of a slave, with no rights whatsoever. They and their assets belong to this foreign nation. That’s why American ESTATE trusts are “removed to” and operated out of Puerto Rico. That’s why controlling interest in us and our actual estates is presumed to be under the law of the United States of America (Minor), instead of Common Law, the reason that we are all “presumed” have chosen to live in a legislative democracy instead of an independent republic.
Terry is or was in the US Military, so he has been identified as a US Citizen — an indentured servant, his ESTATE trust, a legal fiction dba TERRY is classified as a slave. That’s the way they do it and the same way they have done it since 1862.
The proper course for Terry if he doesn’t want to be treated as chattel belonging to the United States, Inc. is to claim his birthright status. If he fails to object to being classified as a “US citizen” and declare other citizenship— such as “American”—they retain complete control over him and his assets, including his body, his time, his home, his family…. He CANNOT remain a member of the US Military in any capacity and be treated as anything but a “US citizen” by definition. That is one of the groups that is and has always been classified as “US citizen”.
Why am I having to explain this again and again and again? He is being classified as a “US citizen” and treated as a “US citizen” under the laws of the United States of America, Minor, which is operating in accordance with the rights granted to it under the original Constitution. We have NO CAUSE TO COMPLAIN about how they conduct their business or treat their citizens, until and unless we are adversely affected, misidentifed and imposed upon under the false pretension that we are “US citizens”.
Terry can’t be a soldier and an American at the SAME time. All soldiers are by definition “US citizens”. That is why I told you last night that America has been at peace since 1865 and that no Americans have fought in any war since then as Americans. We are at peace. ALL Americans who have served in the US Military have done so as “US citizens”. It’s the United States of America (Minor) that is at perpetual war. It is “US citizens” fighting those wars. Apples and Oranges, Arnie.
You are a smart man. You can figure out how this works and what it means. Try. Two separate nations. Two separate citizenships. We have been “presumed” upon to the effect that we are all “United States citizens” when we are not, but the fact remains that some groups within our society have always been “US citizens” and both federal civilian employees and military employees are two of the groups that ARE.
If your friend Terry wants to get out of the brig, he has to sever his ties to his military persona and any idea that he is or wants to be a “US citizen” or a “US CITIZEN” either. He has tried to claim the rights of an American State Citizen at the same time that he clings to his military status and US citizenship and that by definition is impossible because the united States of America have never recognized any form of “dual citizenship” whatsoever.
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Arnie <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
I really appreciate your efforts. But remember I am just a dumb old man who knows nothing. So my inclination is to reject any such unlawful claims.
Is this man incorrect? Show us the law!
Yes…I understand. But I must ask by what lawful authority does anyone presume to make such a claim?
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On Oct 11, 2014, at 6:51 PM, Anna von Reitz <email@example.com> wrote:
I am pointing out to you that when someone says that you are “purple” and you fail to object and claim that you are “orange” instead, you are partially at fault.
Terry has been informed that the “United States” is nothing but a French commercial corporation being run by the International Monetary Fund. Instead of standing up and saying, “I have never subjected myself to the United States and I challenge the prosecutor to prove otherwise.” —- he is sitting in jail.
And there he will sit until he expatriates himself back to his original birthright identity and standing.
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Arnie <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
Thank you again for your patience in this matter. Your explanations are clear and I believe I completely understand the logic you apply and the circumstances you cite to justify the situation.
You indicate your experience in these matters spans a period of 30 to 50 years if I recall correctly. By you still being there would imply your sovereignty is in tact and recognized. Obviously you speak from experience and you speak your truth. Those with sufficient intellectual capacity will understand and appreciate what you have accomplished.
On the other hand, as frustrating as this may be to you, I am not concerned about myself in this matter. My concern is for those who are totally innocently ignorant and deliberately made ignorant by the same folks who have thrust our society into this abyss. The founders, we are told, decreed the language of our laws must be written in plain language, such as any reasonably educated man could read and understand. On that basis alone I claim fraud. The imposition of secret codes and semantic deceit attests to the CRIMINAL intent of those who have interposed an artificial reality upon the unsuspecting participants of a game so bizarre, they have no hope in understanding.
The American people were presented by the founders with a game akin to checkers. Those who have unlawfully began the illicit acts of deception and fraud have done so deliberately and with criminal intent. The manifestation of their achievement can be described as superimposing a chess board on top of the checker board. While we the people believe we are engaged in a game of checkers, the criminally inspired are playing chess. All of this has been done with deliberate criminal intent. I can see it in no other way. I can not see this in any other uncertain terms. The substation was performed with no consent of the governed and with no proper full disclose. Any transaction that is not satisfactory to all parties is no transaction. Any law that is not Constitutional is not a law.
As you readily admit, these nefarious conditions have been established, not by our own doing with deliberate intent, but by the deliberate intent of the perpetrators of this fraud for the sole purposes of enriching themselves and enslaving people through cruel and unusual punishment, administered by our own trusted elected officials. Our trusted public servants.
Regardless of all of the legal process you have enumerated and regardless of all of the intricate relationships established through what has been described as legal intercourse, it is all a lie based on fraudulent intent. It is all based on fraud.
Now unless I have not described the circumstances as I see them, fraud remains fraud.
Not to be redundant, but common, reasonable people should not be subjected to these unreasonable tactics and processes foisted upon the American people, without full disclosure and consent, to satisfy some sort of mystical claims of ownership by any entity. Under natural law no other status can possibly exist.
Natural law defines the true status…we are created with equal rights. But there the equality ends.
Those with superior intellect recognized their ability to control others by various means. But as I see it, those who recognized such power, had an even greater responsibility to use such power for the benefit of all mankind. To me, the same responsibility applies to public servants; elected or appointed. Given the stewardship over the public trust is sacred responsibility they must protect first before even their own and their own family. It is simply a matter of