The Groggy Patriot – Still under the Influence!

The Groggy Patriot – Still under the Influence!

On Jul 26, 2014, at 8:12 PM, Anna von Reitz <> wrote:

What you are missing. Ed. is that there IS no lawful government of “California” in operation at this time, only a governmental services contractor run amok.  All the importance, authority, and power that you ascribe to this imposter and its “constitution” are misplaced.  It is a private corporation and its “constitution” is no more sacrosanct than the Employee Handbook of JC PENNY.

You are still trapped in the illusion, attributing the identity of a real government to a fraud.

That “thing” in Washington, DC, is a fake—- a private knock-off simulation of a public institution long gone.  It’s like a fake “Gucci” handbag, and the “STATE OF CALIFORNIA” is a second generation fake.

Yet you are continuing to spout its rules and regulations and its “constitution” as if that had any meaning for anyone who is not a direct employee?

Come on.  Wake up.  You are still groggy…..

On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Arnie <> wrote:

Thank you for commenting.  It is good of you to provide me an opportunity to respond.

The information you introduce by which to make your point has no “lawful bearing,” on common law grand juries.  You know that! So why would you even introduce such a distortion into this discussion?

Also, Ed, you dishonor the intelligence of all on this distribution by using terms like “bad advice” to color your comments.  We have no room for Alinsky tactics to make our points.

Permit me to assume those sincerely interested in common law are dedicated to truth and facts.  Am I correct?  If so then we would be dealing with common law…not fraud as imposed by de facto.

De facto is an illusion.  De facto does not exist except in the minds of those so ignorant as to accept the fraud.  Those who would even accept the idea of a de facto government do so as a disservice to America.

If you believe in the law…the real pure law…then you must realize there has been no lawful legislation created by the government of the American people after about 1865.

As a law abiding sovereign I must act on what I believe to be the truth.  Each sovereign must also do the same.  We each have a sacred obligation to protect the republic.

May I also point out that, de facto or any public servants, regardless of status or position, can not impose any lawful restrictions on any sovereigns in any manner.

Now that is not to say that they can not arrest us, or even kill us should they so desire.  But then the same can be said of any other common criminal.  The difference Ed…  The difference is honor.  A sovereign is duty bound to honor their word and to honor the rights of all other sovereigns.

“Do no harm”

Let us first establish exactly who we are….I am a sovereign…


A maxim of law dictates any lawful process fails at the first defect.  As I see it Ed, fraud is a pretty glaring defect.

What part of these facts revealed in the link below, as verifiable to a large degree, in the history of our country, do you not believe and accept?
The evidence of Fraud!

Awaiting your response.


Keeping American Patriots informed of the “truth” has become a full-time job!

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On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:55 PM, ednoonan7 . <> wrote:

I am not sure why Arnie is submitting some much bad advice about “citizen grand juries.”

The SUPREME law of California is the California State Constitution. And our Constitution states:



SECTION 23. One or more grand juries shall be drawn and summoned at least once a year in each county.

Nothing more, nothing less!

Any “right” given to us by our creator cannot be bound by rules and regulations of men as describe by Arnie’s email.

The Citizen Grand Jury is independent of the Judiciary, independent of the legislative branch and independent of the executive branch of the California State Corporation. The Grand Jury is the SUPREME and SOVEREIGN branch of government because it is the direct will of THE PEOPLE showing disapproval of wrongdoing in County, state or Federal Government!

This DECLARATION OF RIGHTS does not state of “time, place or manner” of common law grand juries.

Any judge, sheriff or district attorney that attempts to ignore the summons, or indictment of a common law grand jury is guilty of a felony.


18 U.S. Code § 241 – Conspiracy against rights

If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same;

. . .

They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both;

We have a right as Sovereign Citizens to form Common Law Grand juries. PERIOD!!

Any garbage legislation, rule, regulation or unconstitutional mandate that is not backed up by the authority in the California State Constitution giving the offending agency, bureau or department the power to do so, is null and void.

The only requirement that I would suggest be MANDATORY for the California Common Law Grand Jury is that each TAKE THE OATH TO UPHOLD THE US CONSTITUTION AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

Edward C. Noonan

On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Debra Bryant <> wrote:

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Date: Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 4:29 AM
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Installing Jural Societies
by arnierosner
The Jural Societies creating the Grand Juries are part of the solution, but there need to be two public meetings called in each County—-

one is an organizational meeting and
Second 30 days later is a business meeting.
At the first meeting everyone is informed about what is going on and information about the jural society and Notice of the Public Meeting is given.  This is also posted in the local paper(s).

At the business meeting elections for sheriff,  judge, and coroner are held.  The sheriff, after taking his oath as a constitutional officer, is free to deputize assistants and call trial juries.

The jurisdiction of the court is the land, the law form is American Common Law, and whomever is chosen as judge should be thoroughly familiar with basic due process and administrative procedure in addition to being well-versed in jurisdiction, law forms, venues, Maxims of Law, and the peculiarities of American Common Law.  That might seem to be a tall order, but there are people out there competent to do it.

The fundamentals of American Common Law are easy enough for a child to understand, so other than reading caselaw for precedents, as examples of legal concepts, boils down to the founding documents, individual freedom, individual property rights, no victim no crime, and if you harm someone you are liable for it.

Otherwise, if it hurts nobody else, do as you will.

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As an American I advocate a republic form of government, self-reliance, and adherence to the basic philosophy of the founding fathers and the founding documents, I ONLY respect those who respect and "HONOR" their honor. No exceptions!
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