US wants it both ways in international law – Don Hank


On Mar 26, 2014, at 7:28 PM, DON HANK <> wrote:

I just did a little research into the Russian Georgian war to show how the legal rationale of the US is applied lopsidedely in Ukraine.

Briefly, we declared that Russia had no right to intervene in Crimea to help the Crimeans to secede, even though there was an overwhelming desire for these Russian speaking people to unite with their brothers in the Russian Federation—particularly since they had good reason to fear for their safety in a region dominated by anti-Russian Ukrainians, many of whom were/are fascists. The argument was that international law forbids any country from intervening in a secessionist civil conflict.

Yet that argument made by the US government stands in direct contradiction to what the US did in Kosovo.

The point I want to make with the research data provided and linked below is that the US said in Kosovo that it was legitimate to support secession of Kosovo because the Kosovars supported such.

Yet the Russians were told that the South Ossetians could not similarly secede from Georgia because it was illegal (notice that the EU wisely abstained from using the same non logic as the US at the time).

According to the twisted US logic, what was ‘legal’ in Kosovo (secession supported by a foreign power, the US) was illegal in S. Ossetia ONLY because the foreign power happened to be Russia in that case. But hatred of Russia could never be a valid legal argument.

The US government makes up international jurisprudence on the fly.

You can’t have it both ways in law, international or other.

Now the Russians are using the US’s own logic do defend their actions in Crimea. We may or may not be correct in our interpretation of international law, but we haven’t any legal authority to oppose what they did because we did the exact same thing in Kosovo!

Therein lies the problem.

The below links and quotes also show that the media and government brazenly hid important details to present the false picture that ONLY the Serbs (Christians) had committed atrocities, whereas the Kosovars, (Muslims) whom we brazenly portrayed as the good guys, had perpetrated their share of horrible atrocities as well. Even the left leaning Amnesty International admitted that the UN was unfair in their reporting of the atrocities.

The same false portrait was painted in Ukraine, where the rebels were portrayed as innocent victims, whereas in reality, they had broken into an armory and used rifles to kill police—police of a democratically elected government.

Don Hank




Russian-Georgia war, the issue:


The Soviet Georgian government established after the Red Army invasion of Georgia in 1921 created the South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast in April 1922 under pressure from Caucasian Bureau of the Central Committee of the Russian Communist Party.[66] Some argue that the autonomy was granted by the Bolsheviks to the Ossetians in return for their assistance in fighting against a democratic Georgia, because this territory had never been a separate principality before.[67]

A military conflict between Georgia and South Ossetia broke out in January 1991 when Georgia sent troops to subdue a South Ossetian separatist movement. The separatists were helped by former Soviet military units, who by now had come under Russian command.[53][68][54] The war resulted in South Ossetia breaking away from Georgia and gaining de facto independence. After the Sochi agreement in 1992, Tskhinvali was isolated from the Georgian territory around it and Russian, Georgian and South Ossetian peacekeepers were stationed in South Ossetia under the Joint Control Commission‘s (JCC) mandate of demilitarisation.[69][70] The 1992 ceasefire also defined both a zone of conflict around the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali and a security corridor along the border of South Ossetian territories. This situation was mirrored in Abkhazia, an Autonomous Republic within Georgia in the USSR, where the Abkhazian minority seceded from Georgia in a war in the early 1990s. Similar to South Ossetia, most of Abkhazia was controlled by an unrecognised government, while Georgia controlled other parts. In May 2008, there were about 2,000 Russian peacekeepers in Abkhazia, and about 1,000 Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia under the JCC’s mandate.[71]

The conflict remained frozen until 2003 when Mikheil Saakashvili came to power in Georgia’s Rose Revolution, which ousted president Eduard Shevardnadze.[72] One of Saakashvili’s main goals was Georgian NATO membership, which Russia opposes. This has been one of the main stumbling blocks in Georgia-Russia relations.[73][74] Restoring South Ossetia and Abkhazia to Georgian control has been seen as a top-priority goal of Saakashvili since he came to power.[75][76]


International response:

  • <clip_image001.png> European Union — An independent report, commissioned by the Council of the European Union stated that the war was started by the Georgian attack “that was not justified by international law”. The report said the commission found no evidence for Georgia’s claims of being invaded by Russia prior to launching an attack on South Ossetia. It confirmed that units of Russian regular troops, mercenaries, and volunteers had entered South Ossetia before the Georgian attack. The report said that Russia had a right to intervene in defense of its peacekeepers, but that the Russian reaction to the Georgian attack was disproportionate. The Abkhaz and Russian attack on the Kodori Gorge was deemed to be illegal. No evidence of an attempted genocide by Georgia against Ossetians, as claimed by Russia, was found. Instead, the report confirmed that Ossetian militia ethnically cleansed Georgians during and after the conflict, and noted that Russia failed to stop them.[298][299][87]

<clip_image002.png> United States — U.S. president George W. Bush‘s statement to Russia was: “Bullying and intimidation are not acceptable ways to conduct foreign policy in the 21st century.”[300] “Russia has invaded a sovereign neighbouring state and threatens a democratic government elected by its people,” said Mr Bush. “Such an action is unacceptable in the 21st century.” [301] The US Embassy in Georgia, describing the Matthew Bryza press-conference, called the war an “incursion by one of the world’s strongest powers to destroy the democratically elected government of a smaller neighbor”.[302]


US involvement in military conflicts. Russia-Georgia:

No direct involvement proved but some indir involvement,8599,1838305,00.html

That is not to say, however, that Washington is a disinterested party, since it has maintained especially close relations with the government of Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili. Saakashvili graduated from Columbia University School of Law and worked briefly for a New York City law firm before taking up opposition politics back home in the 1990s. As has been widely reported, some of the groups that helped organize the 2003 Rose Revolution that ousted his predecessor, Eduard Shevardnadze, received funding from the U.S. government. Since Saakashvili took office in 2004, his government has continued to receive strong U.S. funding, and the Georgian military was rebuilt with the help of U.S. defense aid and training from American military advisers. (Georgia also sent 2,000 men to fight alongside the U.S. in Iraq.) Several U.S. citizens, including Daniel Kunin, the son of former Vermont governor Madeleine Kunin, have worked as senior aides to Saakashvili’s administration. Randy Scheunemann, a senior adviser to Republican presidential candidate John McCain, was a lobbyist for Georgia until earlier this year. And the Georgian President has friends in high circles in the U.S., including Democratic vice-presidential nominee Joe Biden and McCain himself.


Meanwhile, the United States became the biggest foreign backer of the Shevardnadze regime, pouring in over $1 billion in aid during the decade of his corrupt and semi-authoritarian rule.


Since early 2002, the U.S. government has given a healthy amount of military aid to Georgia. When I last visited South Ossetia, Georgian troops manned a checkpoint outside Tskhinvali — decked out in surplus U.S. Army uniforms and new body armor.

The first U.S. aid came under the rubric of the Georgia

Train and Equip Program (ostensibly to counter alleged Al Qaeda influence in the Pankisi Gorge); then, under the Sustainment and Stability Operations Program. Georgia returned the favor, committing thousands of troops to the multi-national coalition in Iraq. Last fall, the

Georgians doubled their contingent, making them the third-largest contributor to the coalition. Not bad for a nation of 4.6 million people.




Compare with Yugoslav war (note the anti-Christian bias)

The Kosovo War was an armed conflict in Kosovo that lasted from 28 February 1998 until 11 June 1999. It was fought by the forces of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, which controlled Kosovo before the war, and the Kosovo Albanian rebel group known as the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) with air support from the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO).

The KLA, formed in 1991,[57] initiated its first campaign in 1995 when it launched attacks targeting Serbian law enforcement in Kosovo, and in June 1996 the group claimed responsibility for acts of sabotage targeting Kosovo police stations. In 1997, the organization acquired a large amount of arms through weapons smuggling from Albania, following a rebellion which saw large numbers of weapons looted from the country’s police and army posts. In 1998, KLA attacks targeting Yugoslav authorities in Kosovo resulted in an increased presence of Serb paramilitaries and regular forces who subsequently began pursuing a campaign of retribution targeting KLA sympathizers and political opponents[58] in a drive which left 1,500 to 2,000 KLA combatants and civilians dead.[59][60] After attempts at a diplomatic solution failed, NATO intervened, justifying the campaign in Kosovo as a “humanitarian war”.[61] This precipitated a mass expulsion of Kosovars by Serbs while Yugoslav forces continued to fight during the two month-long aerial bombardment of Yugoslavia.[62][63] By the year 2000, subsequent investigations had then recovered the remains of almost three thousand Kosovo Albanian victims,[64] and in 2001 a United Nations court found that there had been a “a systematic campaign of terror, including murders, rapes, arsons and severe maltreatments”, and that Serb troops had tried to remove rather than eradicate the Albanian population.[65]

The war ended with the Kumanovo Treaty, with Yugoslav forces agreeing to withdraw from Kosovo to make way for an international presence.[66][67] The Kosovo Liberation Army disbanded soon after this, with some of its members going on to fight for the UÇPMB in the Preševo Valley[68] and others joining the National Liberation Army (NLA) and Albanian National Army (ANA) during the armed ethnic conflict in Macedonia,[69] while others went on to form the Kosovo Police.[70] The conflict was at the centre of news headlines around the world for months, and gained major coverage from the international media. The NATO bombing and surrounding events have remained controversial, as it never gained the approval of the UN Security Council.[71]

Kosovars killed Serbs for organs

Kosovars had killed 1000s of Serbs I WW II


Forbidden story and photos not allowed by Western media. Serbs slaughtered by Kosovars:

Amnesty international, KLA abuses



Human Rights Concerns

In 2013, discrimination and homophobia remained major human rights concerns in Serbia. In Belgrade more than 1,000 Roma were forcibly evicted over the past two years. The Belgrade Pride was again banned in October. In Kosovo, impunity continued for crimes under international law perpetrated by the Kosova Liberation Army (KLA). Violence in the north, inter-ethnic attacks and discrimination against minorities also continued. On a positive note, however, prosecutions of alleged war criminals Ratko Mladić and Goran Hadžić began at the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia in the Hague.

Note that this report doesn’t mention murders of Serbs, but next one (below) does mention Serbs.


UN fails to investigate


UN must make up for failure to investigate Kosovo missing

The UN Interim Administration Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK) singularly failed to investigate the abduction and murders of Kosovo Serbs in the aftermath of the 1998-1999 conflict, Amnesty International said in a report published today.

Serbian viewpoint, KLA violence





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