The Counter Proposal

My response to our good friend Walt Myers.


Your suggestions are appreciated, but the way I see it, the founding documents are perfect the way they were written.  

On that basis may I present you with a counter proposal.  Many of the fine details have deliberately left out for the sake of brevity.  A simple basic framework is offered upon which to build a more complete plan of action.

Please review and comment as appropriate!  I am also sharing this proposal within our community.  Here is one more part open to discussion.

On principle, I am taking the following stand:

Based upon our unalienable rights as endowed upon us by our creator,  We the People are the only ones authorized to address any matters associated with our founding documents, therefore the matter is not open to any discussion with others.  This matter is not negotiable.  The subject is closed!

As you are aware I have no legal back ground or education so I cannot speak as an expert on law.  But it is my understanding the law is supposed to be written in such a manner that any reasonable citizen would be able to understand it.  On that basis I have endeavored to document the current circumstance in which we find ourselves.

Many of us have just recently learned that the current gang of thieves are all unlawfully seated.  To varying degrees we have also learned that everything that has happened over the last 140 years is null and void.  Indeed a complex set of issues exists, and the obvious solution calls for:

  • The complete dissolution of the three branches is mandatory in any event

The next step in restoring our republic will be selecting the most reasonable approach to dealing with the restoration of a legal Congress:

  • The reestablishment of the legal Congress (the simplest option as the legal structure exists but is not currently populated) or
  • Forming of a new Congress

Once we determine the most acceptable option we will deal with the details to resolve these matters with the newly seated government.  One that has sworn a new allegiance to the Constitution and the people of the United States and one that once more represents the people in a format as a true republic.

From a practical matter next we need to issue a target date.  A date by which all qualified members of the de facto Congress are offered the opportunity to swear their new allegiance to the Constitution and to agree to come to the table under the terms as true representatives of the people and by so doing reestablish the legal seated Congress.

Those failing to accept these new terms will be removed by the Provost Marshal.  New elections will be organized within 90 days to meet any vacated positions.

If the second option becomes most viable then we need to immediately form two citizen bodies:

  • A citizens governing council to act as caretakers of the new government we will form by authority of the founding documents and
  • A new election committee, staffed from within our citizenry, with the mandate to setup new elections within 90 days.

One major consideration will be to correct one of the major deceptions perpetrated by the previous de facto’s…In accordance to the Organic Constitution, specifically the original 13th amendment, those with any titles of nobility (Esq. as an example) are excluded as a qualified candidate to run for office.

Walt, we as the sovereign citizens have no need to enter into any debates over these matters, with the criminal element.  A criminal element, I might add, which has seen fit to unlawfully seize our government.  Regardless of the outcome of the preceding options the next issues must be dealt with post haste.

It is the members of this criminal conspiracy themselves who have demonstrated their ugly, criminal character through their traitorous and treasonable actions; actions, witnessed by the whole world. Consequently when they violated their oath of office, in the commission of these treasonous acts, they also violated the terms of their contract with the American people; they have voluntarily vacated their previously held positions.

We must declare to all of the people of the world and to all of the world governments our recent discovery of the theft and fraud perpetrated by the de facto government.  A crime of gigantic proportions executed under the direction of the criminal actor, Obama and his criminal administration.  Further, it must be clearly and forcefully declared that Obama and the rest of the de facto government has never acted on behalf of or lawfully represented the people of the United States  Therefore, any arrangements, regardless of form, made by Obama and/or any members of his administration are null and void. the senior officers of our military…Who have all sworn *allegiance to the Constitution of the United States and not to Obama or any person or entity must now take notice of the following:

Based on recently uncovered elements of a large scale conspiracy it has been concluded that Obama is CEO, president, of a corporation called the United States of America, and not the president of the real United States.  It has also been revealed that Obama, without the consent of the governed, has unlawfully seized control of the lawful government of the people of the United States.  This was accomplished through subversion and UN-Constitutional means and aided and abetted by willing members of the 111th and 112th Congress.  It is now apparent that all previous orders issued by Obama have been unlawful from the very beginning of his term and continue to be unlawful.  

We the People of the United States are the only lawful authority through which a lawfully seated president directs all military activity.  Since Obama is not the lawfully seated president of the real United States, he has no authority to issue orders to the lawful military forces of the lawful United States government.  

Further evidence is of Obama’s unlawful status as president of the real United States is the tacit but official recognition by the U S Air Force in granting SSGT Moran an “honorably discharged” from the United States Air Force when he challenged Obama’s legitimacy as the US President.

The only open issue at this point is setting the trigger date from which the members of the de facto government will reestablish their true and  legitimate allegiance to the Constitution or are to vacate our facilities; as Mr. Boehner so eloquently put it, “The People’s house.”  Ten days from the trigger date, the newly formed citizen’s caretaker council, representing “We the People,” will issue orders for the removal of any remaining members of the unlawful de facto government by lawful military operations.

*The wordings of the current oath for commissioned officers are as follows:

“I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.” (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)

Comments are invited.


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About arnierosner

As an American I advocate a republic form of government, self-reliance, and adherence to the basic philosophy of the founding fathers and the founding documents, I ONLY respect those who respect and "HONOR" their honor. No exceptions!
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3 Responses to The Counter Proposal

  1. Suzanne Short says:

    So, Arnie when are we going to give these corrupt individuals a Date? We should prepare this movement soon.

    • arnierosner says:

      Thank you for asking the question. I simply proposed this thought that was inspired by a message sent to me by Walt Myers.

      In a call with Sheriff Mack today, he agreed in principle that Obama cannot be the legitimate president of the United States when he is president of the Corporation called the United States. That being the case our military has no commander in chief so it is my view we need to seek assistance from the military who swore to protect the Constitution not allegiance to Obama.

      If this idea has merit then those patriots who also embrace the concept will have to demonstrate their support.

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